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we told you how republicans are out about the way the debt ceiling works. today we saw the next phase of their misinformation campaign. tea party ron johnson went on msnbc this morning and hammered the president when it comes to spending cuts. >> president obama and the democrats have no intention. as a result, they have no plan to reduce the deficit, to reduce government's control in our lives. this isn't going to go away. we're not going to solve this thing, unfortunately, because president obama has no intention of solving it. hasn't given us a plan. this is going to go on time and time and time again. >> all right. let's be clear what republicans are talking about when they say spending cuts. they want major cuts to the big three, medicare, medicaid and social security. if overall spending was the issue, there wouldn't be a problem. president obama already signed the 2011 budget control act, which included $1.7 trillion in government spending cuts. in reality, the best plan to reduce the deficit comesro
we told you how republicans are out about the way the debt ceiling works. today we saw the next phase of their misinformation campaign. tea party ron johnson went on msnbc this morning and hammered the president when it comes to spending cuts. >> president obama and the democrats have no intention. as a result, they have no plan to reduce the deficit, to reduce government's control in our lives. this isn't going to go away. we're not going to solve this thing, unfortunately, because...
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seven debt ceiling raises. white was just sort of -- everyone understood it would get raised and it was a time to remind people how big the debt was and nobody really took it seriously, press release. it was useful for that. once people started taking it seriously and said we are going to think about not paying the debt it bill absurd and it is -- it is absurd and it needs to be -- needs to go away or congress just needs to understand that that's the only use of it. a coin isn't going to solve that problem. looking at a darn corners of the constitution will not solve that problem. >> what is -- you know, the problem -- that -- republicans seem to have is it the leadership sort of knows that they really shun be playing politics of the debt ceiling. but the rank and file, they don't want any part of that. they want to play politics. >> this is the problem. this is my problem with people who are spending a lot of time, smart people. friends of ours who are spending a lot of time talking about the kooky ideas. you
seven debt ceiling raises. white was just sort of -- everyone understood it would get raised and it was a time to remind people how big the debt was and nobody really took it seriously, press release. it was useful for that. once people started taking it seriously and said we are going to think about not paying the debt it bill absurd and it is -- it is absurd and it needs to be -- needs to go away or congress just needs to understand that that's the only use of it. a coin isn't going to solve...
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and then say you don't want to raise the debt ceiling. you can't make those match. >> what's going on? you make a very good point. what's the ideology behind those folks? >> well, it is ideology, but also just -- essentially extortion. what they are trying to do, and been trying to do this, use the debt ceiling or basically black mail leverage they have to strip the social safety net in the country, to privatize social security, privatize medicaid, medica medicare. ith not about fiscal sanity. we can reach fiscal sanity. we have been working very well toward that. but this is all about ideology and philosophy. >> you called speaker boehner courageous for sending the fiscal cliff bill to the floor. you know speaker boehner saw republican defections in the speaker vote this week, he has favored heavy criticism from tea partiers and others. do you suspect similar courage from boehner in the weeks ahead? >> i think he wants to be krajuous. it's really horrible when an example of bipartisanship causes such consternation in one party. boehner w
and then say you don't want to raise the debt ceiling. you can't make those match. >> what's going on? you make a very good point. what's the ideology behind those folks? >> well, it is ideology, but also just -- essentially extortion. what they are trying to do, and been trying to do this, use the debt ceiling or basically black mail leverage they have to strip the social safety net in the country, to privatize social security, privatize medicaid, medica medicare. ith not about...
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especially when the up coming negotiations are coming with the debt ceiling. with social security, and medicare, those are big serious ideological spaces for the liberals so i think you will see the ways in which their unhappiness with the president will manifest with how the negotiations take place. that is no question that liberals feel that the gave in? >> don't they always feel that? >> and that the white house compromised, the i think the liberals were the aaccused of being the professional left. there's a concern on how the seniors, when we think of social security and medicare, how they are going to do. given that the republicans have articulated the idea that they are coming for blood. >> the president sacrifice his upper hand? did he act fight by not including the debt ceiling fight in the past deal? >> i don't think so. when you talk to democrats and republicans on capitol hill, democrats especially are positive that republicans gave in on the tax deal. so the president played a good hand, but not the best he had, he came out with republicans bucklin
especially when the up coming negotiations are coming with the debt ceiling. with social security, and medicare, those are big serious ideological spaces for the liberals so i think you will see the ways in which their unhappiness with the president will manifest with how the negotiations take place. that is no question that liberals feel that the gave in? >> don't they always feel that? >> and that the white house compromised, the i think the liberals were the aaccused of being the...
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not be on the table. >> debt ceiling is a separate issue. the bottom line is congress incurs bills, they have to be paid, and the debt ceiling is not going to be a component of these negotiations. >> so now president and the democrats need to make sure that they hold the line. liberals want him to do just that. president obama already has a mechanism in place to engage americans. he can go directly to the american people. the president already plans to use the bully pulpit of his state of the union address to make the case. he's also pushing forward with other reforms like immigration. administration officials do not want the president's second term to be sidelined by a financial brawl. but while the president engages republicans on other legislative agendas, the country needs to stay invested in this economic fight on capitol hill. democrats and progressives, they know this fight. they did it well in the 2012 campaign. they fought hard during the fiscal cliff fight and won that. clearly. this is basically the start of a new campaign. if you
not be on the table. >> debt ceiling is a separate issue. the bottom line is congress incurs bills, they have to be paid, and the debt ceiling is not going to be a component of these negotiations. >> so now president and the democrats need to make sure that they hold the line. liberals want him to do just that. president obama already has a mechanism in place to engage americans. he can go directly to the american people. the president already plans to use the bully pulpit of his...
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a new way to avoid the debt ceiling. hear what senate democrats are telling the president to do today. >>> fighting the flu. the illness has now reached epidemic levels in the u.s. is it slowing down? >>> signature moment. how comics are taking on jacob lew's unique, to say the least, scrawl of his name. good morning, everyone. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." what's happening out there. after meeting with the president of afghanistan, president obama sharing new details this morning on how he plans to end the u.s. involvement there. >> this remains a very difficult mission, the work ahead will not be easy. our forces are still in harm's way. but make no mistake, our path is clear, and we are moving forward. because after a decade of war, the nation we need to rebuild is our own. >> kristen welker is at the white house. a very good start morning to you. let's talk about the details that the president revealed about the future role of the u.s. in afghanistan. >> good morning to you, alex. the big headline that came o
a new way to avoid the debt ceiling. hear what senate democrats are telling the president to do today. >>> fighting the flu. the illness has now reached epidemic levels in the u.s. is it slowing down? >>> signature moment. how comics are taking on jacob lew's unique, to say the least, scrawl of his name. good morning, everyone. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." what's happening out there. after meeting with the president of afghanistan, president obama sharing...
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ronald reagan, george bush, both bushes, raised the debt ceiling, bill clinton raised the debt ceiling, that's something we've never played with because then we're playing with the country's credit rating and that's something we should all come together on and we've never had it happen before. why now play politics on the debt ceiling. it doesn't make sense. >> i'll have to leave it retorically, good to see you. >>> new revelations about marilyn monroe, you'll hear from the reporter that dug up fbi files on the movie star. [ male] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. [ slap! ] [ slap! slap! slap! slap! ] ow! ow! [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium-rich tums starts working so fast you'll forget you had heartburn. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums woman: we're helping joplin, missouri, come back from a devastating tornado. man: and now we're helping the eas
ronald reagan, george bush, both bushes, raised the debt ceiling, bill clinton raised the debt ceiling, that's something we've never played with because then we're playing with the country's credit rating and that's something we should all come together on and we've never had it happen before. why now play politics on the debt ceiling. it doesn't make sense. >> i'll have to leave it retorically, good to see you. >>> new revelations about marilyn monroe, you'll hear from the...
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>> save your powder for the debt ceiling fight. work with me and others never to raise the debt ceiling again unless we address while we're in so much debt. >> i think there's going to be an all-new field of battle when the debt ceiling rolls around. >> our opportunity here is on the debt ceiling. this is where we have leverage. >> leverage? this is a battle about real people. real americans. the gop's willing to take this couns country hostage. and for ransom, they want massive cuts to programs americans need to survive. threatening to take the economy is not lev rarj. it's stupidity. joining me now is chris hays, host of "up with chris hayes" here on msnbc. thank you both for being here this evening. >>> melissa, here we go again. the gop has a strategy to hold the economy hostage. does that make any political sense? >> it does for them. look, we heard it from ryan directly. which is we are without real political power, right? they've got a majority in the house, but exclusive there. there are three branchs of government, they ar
>> save your powder for the debt ceiling fight. work with me and others never to raise the debt ceiling again unless we address while we're in so much debt. >> i think there's going to be an all-new field of battle when the debt ceiling rolls around. >> our opportunity here is on the debt ceiling. this is where we have leverage. >> leverage? this is a battle about real people. real americans. the gop's willing to take this couns country hostage. and for ransom, they want...
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the whole idea that we're going to have a debt ceiling dispute. what is the debt ceiling? it says that a president of the united states tells the world of investors you can count on us to pay our bills. it's no more, and it's no less. they're going to hold him hostage over an issue like that? it's ridiculous. >> and i made a very oversimplistic analogy that it's like running up a credit card bill and then refusing to pay it. i grant you, there's a lot more parameters around that, but the root of it, it's kind of like that. and, in fact, members of the gop are talking about a partial government shutdown to get what they want in terms of negotiation for the debt ceiling. do you think that's going to happen? >> it could. it could because it's abundantly clear the speaker doesn't have control over the votes. what the president has done and effectively is to outreach to the american people and to tell boehner, don't wait until you have the majority of republicans agreeing on any given issue. let the congress vote. let some of your diehard republicans do what they have to do, ev
the whole idea that we're going to have a debt ceiling dispute. what is the debt ceiling? it says that a president of the united states tells the world of investors you can count on us to pay our bills. it's no more, and it's no less. they're going to hold him hostage over an issue like that? it's ridiculous. >> and i made a very oversimplistic analogy that it's like running up a credit card bill and then refusing to pay it. i grant you, there's a lot more parameters around that, but the...
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lift the debt ceiling. it will be clear because wall street will make it clear, the banking community will make it clear what the ramifications are to americans by not lifting the debt ceiling. and you're right, mike, all this is about, as the president said, is paying for the bills that congress has already voted to fund. and it's not lifting the debt ceiling to pay for future spending. it's to pay for the bills that we've already accrued. but regardless of that, regardless of that, the people want us to get together and do something. it's why i was sad to see steve decide not to run for re-election because we need republicans, we need more republicans who are going to stand in there and say, yes, spending is the issue, but we've got to realize that we've got to have reasonable revenue that comes into the mix, and we've got to look at everything. when it comes to spending, defense cannot be a sacred cow. we have to look at everything, and we have to have legitimate entitlement reform. and on our side, mike
lift the debt ceiling. it will be clear because wall street will make it clear, the banking community will make it clear what the ramifications are to americans by not lifting the debt ceiling. and you're right, mike, all this is about, as the president said, is paying for the bills that congress has already voted to fund. and it's not lifting the debt ceiling to pay for future spending. it's to pay for the bills that we've already accrued. but regardless of that, regardless of that, the people...
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that means we'll actually hit the debt ceiling there. meaning anybody with any kind of romantic life will notice. >>> and later, meeting with joe biden at the white house, and in the rewrite tonight, why has no one mentioned me to take john kerry's senate seat when he gets confirmed as secretary of state. do i have to do everything myself around here. krystal, do i? >> no, i have been talking about you from day one. >> all right, well, that is going to be in the rewrite. this was the hole my waist was on. but since i've been on alli, am i on this one? nope. am i on this one? no, no, no, no, no. i am on this one. [ male announcer ] for every 2 pounds you lose through diet and exercise alli can help you lose one more by blocking some of the fat you eat. simple. effective. belt-friendly. let's fight fat with alli. learn more, lose more at letsfightfat.com. >>> the greatest governor of all time, i mean the greatest, i don't mean just state, i mean colonial governors, the greatest governor in the history of governors. massachusetts governor d
that means we'll actually hit the debt ceiling there. meaning anybody with any kind of romantic life will notice. >>> and later, meeting with joe biden at the white house, and in the rewrite tonight, why has no one mentioned me to take john kerry's senate seat when he gets confirmed as secretary of state. do i have to do everything myself around here. krystal, do i? >> no, i have been talking about you from day one. >> all right, well, that is going to be in the rewrite....
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things like the debt ceiling? >> well, i don't think we could afford to let it get in the way of debt ceiling. we only have two or three months to get that done. that fight is getting frankly much more difficult than the fiscal cliff was. we have the debt limit which the president quite rightly has said he won't engage on that. we can't hold that kind of a revolver to the economy that way. but, nonetheless, the gop can shut down the government if it chooses. we have the sequester. so we have to deal with those issues. >> is that where we're headed? because there's been at least one suggestion by one republican that maybe a government shutdown is just what we need. >> well, i don't know. it didn't work out so well for the gop in 1994. i don't think it's the right thing. i would hope instead of looking forward to government shutdown we would be looking forward to finding a new way to work together in this new year. that's really what the american people are asking for. it's not too much to ask. but it will be intere
things like the debt ceiling? >> well, i don't think we could afford to let it get in the way of debt ceiling. we only have two or three months to get that done. that fight is getting frankly much more difficult than the fiscal cliff was. we have the debt limit which the president quite rightly has said he won't engage on that. we can't hold that kind of a revolver to the economy that way. but, nonetheless, the gop can shut down the government if it chooses. we have the sequester. so we...
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. >> karl rove blows up the republican debt ceiling ruse. americans living in poverty is at an all-time high. senator bernie sanders is here with the outrage on inequality. >>> junior seau's test results may finally push the nfl to address head injuries. we're taking a look into the findings. >>> oscar nominations were released today. but how heavy will politics weigh with the academy? >> they stay here, they will be taken. probably not alive. >> david edelstein gives us the scoop. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. another group of parents received the terrifying news today when a shooting erupted at their children's school. at the exact time vice president joe biden was meeting with groups on solutions to gun violence a gunman opened fire at a high school in bakersfield, california about 120 miles northwest of los angeles. police say a 16-year-old shooter was armed with a shotgun. at least two people were shot, including one student who was in critical condition. there is usually an armed police officer at th
. >> karl rove blows up the republican debt ceiling ruse. americans living in poverty is at an all-time high. senator bernie sanders is here with the outrage on inequality. >>> junior seau's test results may finally push the nfl to address head injuries. we're taking a look into the findings. >>> oscar nominations were released today. but how heavy will politics weigh with the academy? >> they stay here, they will be taken. probably not alive. >> david...
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ceiling, to reduce spending in order to get their votes for increasing the debt ceiling. the president said he won't negotiate on that, an he's quite right. what they're really saying is by not raising the debt ceiling, we're not going to pay the bills that we voted to incur. we're going to permit the country to default and cause economic chaos. and destroy the country. they're basically saying we're going to blackmail everybody in the country. absolutely illegitimate. it's like an old gangster movie where someone says, nice economy you got there, it's going to blow up if you don't pay me protection money. that's what they're saying. it should not be indulged. but there are two ways of simply saying we're not going to talk about it. one is the 14th amendment which says the forthright nature of the united states will not be questioned, that a statue prevents you to paying the bills. the president for some reason said he won't do that. i've seen very good congressional arguments on both sides of that question. it's never been tested in court. it should. and the other questi
ceiling, to reduce spending in order to get their votes for increasing the debt ceiling. the president said he won't negotiate on that, an he's quite right. what they're really saying is by not raising the debt ceiling, we're not going to pay the bills that we voted to incur. we're going to permit the country to default and cause economic chaos. and destroy the country. they're basically saying we're going to blackmail everybody in the country. absolutely illegitimate. it's like an old gangster...
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debt ceiling. government shutdown. do you believe the debt ceiling should be used as leverage? >> we have three impending moments. the debt ceiling, the continuing resolution to fund the government, and then the sequester spending cuts that have been delayed for 60 days. no one in the republican conference is talking about a default on our sovereign debt. but we do need to use these moments to address the spending explosion that we've seen in the last four years of the obama administration. >> are you saying you want to say debt ceiling, maybe set that aside and focus more on the other two? >> i'm saying the treasury has more than enough tax receipts every month to pay the interest on our sovereign debt. so there's nobody but barack obama who's talking about a default on our sovereign debt. we can prioritize payments on a monthly basis to ensure there's no default. then we can have the hard negotiations necessary to get spending back under control. >> you are saying, hey, don't raise the debt ceiling. make treasury -- >> unless there's real spending cuts, unless there's real st
debt ceiling. government shutdown. do you believe the debt ceiling should be used as leverage? >> we have three impending moments. the debt ceiling, the continuing resolution to fund the government, and then the sequester spending cuts that have been delayed for 60 days. no one in the republican conference is talking about a default on our sovereign debt. but we do need to use these moments to address the spending explosion that we've seen in the last four years of the obama...
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lift the debt ceiling. it will be clear because wall street will make it clear, the banking community will make it clear what the ramifications are to americans by not lifting the debt ceiling. and you're right, mike, all this is about, as the president said, is paying for the bills that congress has already voted to fund. and it's not lifting the debt ceiling to pay for future spending. it's to pay for the bills that we've already accrued. but regardless of that, regardless of that, the people want us to get together and do something. it's why i was sad to see steve decide not to run for re-election because we need republicans, we need more republicans who are going to stand in there and say, yes, spending is the issue, but we've got to realize that we've got to have reasonable revenue that comes into the mix, and we've got to look at everything. when it comes to spending, defense cannot be a sacred cow. we have to look at everything, and we have to have legitimate entitlement reform. and on our side, mike
lift the debt ceiling. it will be clear because wall street will make it clear, the banking community will make it clear what the ramifications are to americans by not lifting the debt ceiling. and you're right, mike, all this is about, as the president said, is paying for the bills that congress has already voted to fund. and it's not lifting the debt ceiling to pay for future spending. it's to pay for the bills that we've already accrued. but regardless of that, regardless of that, the people...
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there are debt ceilings for a little bit. so let's say we get to a point where they say you no he what? this has become a habit now. we can't deal with. this we're going to seriously pursue this trillion dollar coin idea. you write for a publication that people in financial markets read. you look at financial markets. the people in the financial markets, aren't they going to balk? isn't this going to have an adverse effect in people's judgment of the credit worthiness of the government, functionally tsh do the things we need to do? >> i don't think so. i mean look, we're already having a debate now. we are already having a debate at the highest levels about whether we're going to pay our bills or not. that is the debate we're currently having. >> can i debate that debate? i don't think we're having that debate. i think mitch mcconnell said that. >> the gop leader in the senate is debating with the president about whether we're going to pay our bills if there is not an extraction. >> he's not debating it. this is a clearly an
there are debt ceilings for a little bit. so let's say we get to a point where they say you no he what? this has become a habit now. we can't deal with. this we're going to seriously pursue this trillion dollar coin idea. you write for a publication that people in financial markets read. you look at financial markets. the people in the financial markets, aren't they going to balk? isn't this going to have an adverse effect in people's judgment of the credit worthiness of the government,...
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we'll tell you about it coming up and we begin with the next fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling in a letter to the president yesterday. senate majority lead are harry reid and other top democrats urged the president to take any lawful stps to protect the u.s. from defaulting on its debt and bypassing congress if necessary. is the president ready to invoke the constitution's 14th amendment. it's the big question, nbc news' kristen welker joins me. i understand you have a highlighter in your hand to display the seriousness of what it would mean to invoke the 14th amendment. >> the 14th amendment is very complicated. i want to make sure i'm covering my basis to give everyone a quick explainer of what it is and it goes to the post-civil war era and it is in the expansive rights of the civil war and there is a part of it that deals with the nation's did not and that's where this highlighter comes in. and it states, quote, the validity of the public debt of the united states shall not be questioned. that is the part of the 14th amendment that those senators that you just referenced are seizing on
we'll tell you about it coming up and we begin with the next fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling in a letter to the president yesterday. senate majority lead are harry reid and other top democrats urged the president to take any lawful stps to protect the u.s. from defaulting on its debt and bypassing congress if necessary. is the president ready to invoke the constitution's 14th amendment. it's the big question, nbc news' kristen welker joins me. i understand you have a highlighter in your hand...
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up that debt ceiling. i work with phil gingry in congress. i really liked him. he actually worked with me on helping veterans try to get more physical therapists and also occupational therapists. this is one where any word in front of the word "rape "except heinous or outrageous is an outrageous wrong. but i did want to say i have worked with him on a number of issues to try to further help people coming home from the wars. >> i appreciate your even-handed comments. it looks like you're agreeing with kevin madden republican strategist. good to see you both. >>> in today's office politics, my conversation with nbc's peter alexander. peter spent last year covering mitt romney's presidential campaign. after months of almost around the clock being on the trail, peter has some great behind the scenes stories to share, including the campaign's immediate reaction to the governor's election night loss. but first, i asked peter about the challenges of reporting on the big stories and those several nuances each day
up that debt ceiling. i work with phil gingry in congress. i really liked him. he actually worked with me on helping veterans try to get more physical therapists and also occupational therapists. this is one where any word in front of the word "rape "except heinous or outrageous is an outrageous wrong. but i did want to say i have worked with him on a number of issues to try to further help people coming home from the wars. >> i appreciate your even-handed comments. it looks...
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it sounds like it will be debt ceiling before immigration. >> well, i wouldn't say that. i have been talking to my sources here who say that the president is still very focused on his second term agenda which includes immigration reform and enacting stiffer gun control laws and also some new energy policies in terms of the timeline, the white house is still working all of that out, but they say that the president is determined not to have these budget battles derail or side line his other policy goals. a lot of analysts are looking at the situation and saying it's tough to do that and there are more budget battles that are on the horizon that will take up a lot of time and public attention and consumption. >> kristen welker. honolulu. kristen, thank you so much. we'll check in with you later. >>> one piece of good news for president obama from the victory in 2012, it's officially in the books. the election that dominated the airwaves finally came to a close friday when a joint session of congress led by vice president joe biden confirmed the 332 lech ral votes for preside
it sounds like it will be debt ceiling before immigration. >> well, i wouldn't say that. i have been talking to my sources here who say that the president is still very focused on his second term agenda which includes immigration reform and enacting stiffer gun control laws and also some new energy policies in terms of the timeline, the white house is still working all of that out, but they say that the president is determined not to have these budget battles derail or side line his other...
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but first, let's start with the debt ceiling. howard, don't republicans know this is a big potential loser not only for the country, but for republicans politically, or am i viewing this wrong? >> excuse me, ed. i think some republicans know it in their head. i think most republicans in the house don't know it in their hearts. they're here to lecture and to disrupt and not to legislate. they don't understand often, the ones i talked to don't really get the idea that the american public views the congress as an utterly dysfunctional institution that is standing in the way of leading the country and bringing about a true recovery from this long great recession. and most of the american people don't see political and legislative maneuvers like the ones that the tea party types want to carry forth like grover norquist want to carry forth as the kind of political disasters that they are. if the republicans pursue the strategy that grover norquist is talking about and that john boehner floated, they'll just drive the republican numbers
but first, let's start with the debt ceiling. howard, don't republicans know this is a big potential loser not only for the country, but for republicans politically, or am i viewing this wrong? >> excuse me, ed. i think some republicans know it in their head. i think most republicans in the house don't know it in their hearts. they're here to lecture and to disrupt and not to legislate. they don't understand often, the ones i talked to don't really get the idea that the american public...
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the fact, for example, in terms of the debt ceiling, he's just simply rule ought certain ways to be able to deal with it. or again in the campaign, you promise 2 $1/2 of cuts for every increase. so what's occurring here, both sides have emerged out of an election. the president i would argue, not surprisingly, has been particularly rigid here as well. and what they both have to do is pig out how do they actually get to the table and negotiate. having that said that one other thing given the last round of negotiations i know the speaker was not particularly happy and going in and negotiating with the president doesn't product results. >> gentlemen, thank you. there's another issue, and that's one we're talking about a lot today that congress has been slow to act on in the past. but momentum and support are building, it seems, for tougher gun laws in the wake of last month's newtown, connecticut, school tragedy. richard lui has been looking at how the u.s. stacks up against other countries when it up cans to gun ownership and violence. what did you find out? the united states has unsavory
the fact, for example, in terms of the debt ceiling, he's just simply rule ought certain ways to be able to deal with it. or again in the campaign, you promise 2 $1/2 of cuts for every increase. so what's occurring here, both sides have emerged out of an election. the president i would argue, not surprisingly, has been particularly rigid here as well. and what they both have to do is pig out how do they actually get to the table and negotiate. having that said that one other thing given the...
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i don't know that he would be ready to refuse to lift the debt ceiling. but, you know, he cease himself as having won something in the fiscal cliff go-round, chris, and so -- and i think that boehner sees himself as having lost something and needing to win back the fealty of those tea party republicans. so i still think we're in for an ugly few months. but i think they -- if they won't do the debt ceiling, they have less leverage. >> what a country. let's drop left wing, right wing for a second. we're the country of the world, we're the role model, we're the city in the hill, right? what a joke teaching democracy this way. >> i'm not sure the framers of the constitution envisioned a day when the members of congress would hold the president hostage. >> and not pay their debts. >> by not paying their bills. you have the cr, the continuing resolution that funds the government running out in march. you have the sequester deadline, which they couldn't deal with this time. they kicked down the road to march 1. and you have the debt ceiling hitting about the sam
i don't know that he would be ready to refuse to lift the debt ceiling. but, you know, he cease himself as having won something in the fiscal cliff go-round, chris, and so -- and i think that boehner sees himself as having lost something and needing to win back the fealty of those tea party republicans. so i still think we're in for an ugly few months. but i think they -- if they won't do the debt ceiling, they have less leverage. >> what a country. let's drop left wing, right wing for a...
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remember this debt ceiling. we hit that. our nation's borrowing limit, money already owed and already been spent just a couple of months from now, so this is going to be a top priority in a very near future as we go ahead right now. as you heard from mitch mcconnell, he said that presidential leadership is desperately needed. he said specifically that the last-minute deals are not the way that the government should be run right now. the question is what the president and what the administration is willing to concede on. the republicans again in the house and senate are calling for entitlement reform. they want the medicare age to be raised. they want means testing, as we heard, again today, and it's important to note on "meet the press" when mitch mcconnell was speaking to our colleague david gregory he declined to answer whether he would rule out a government shutdown as a way of effectively enforcing that need for spending cuts. craig? >> in addition to all the fiscal stuff that the president will be dealing with over the
remember this debt ceiling. we hit that. our nation's borrowing limit, money already owed and already been spent just a couple of months from now, so this is going to be a top priority in a very near future as we go ahead right now. as you heard from mitch mcconnell, he said that presidential leadership is desperately needed. he said specifically that the last-minute deals are not the way that the government should be run right now. the question is what the president and what the administration...
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you have the sequestration deadline and the debt ceiling hitting at the same time. this is going to be a three ring cliff, three cliff circus coming up very soon. and if you have this group that doesn't believe in compromise, it's going to be very hard to get through this wouithout a lo of blood in the water. >> i hope this goes away. anyway, thank you. thank you, it ought to be about building, not destroying. thank you. anyw anyway, when we return, let me finish with why i think the nomination for defense chief should be given a solid chance. i'm putting it that way, you're watching, "hardball," the place for politics. ident forgiveness, they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. [ voice of dennis ] indeed. are you in good hands? if we took the already great sentra apart and completely reimagined it? ...with best-in-class combined mpg... and more interior room than corolla and civic? ...and a technology suite with bluetooth, navigation and other handy stuff? yeah, that would be cool. introducing the all-new nissan sentra. it's our
you have the sequestration deadline and the debt ceiling hitting at the same time. this is going to be a three ring cliff, three cliff circus coming up very soon. and if you have this group that doesn't believe in compromise, it's going to be very hard to get through this wouithout a lo of blood in the water. >> i hope this goes away. anyway, thank you. thank you, it ought to be about building, not destroying. thank you. anyw anyway, when we return, let me finish with why i think the...
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the 112th almost shut down government, almost breached the debt ceiling, and almost went over the fiscal cliff. all crises of their own making. ezra klein is also an msnbc political analyst and "washington post" columnist. robert costa is the washington editor at national review and a cnbc contributor. gentlemen, the 112th congress was not only unproductive, it was hugely unpopular. for comparison's sake, the irs, nixon during watergate and bp during the oil spill all had higher popularity ratings than this congress, and yet, ezra klein, if the objective was to thwart all things obama, you could say they were immensely successful. >> and yet they weren't because the overarching strategy was to eventually thwart obama himself, to get him not re-elected, to allow mitt romney or whoever was the republican nominee for president, to become president in 2012 thus fulfilling what senate minority leader mitch mcconnell once referred to as his top priority. that didn't work at all. the republican brand was so tarnished in part because of the actions of the 112th congress, in part because of the w
the 112th almost shut down government, almost breached the debt ceiling, and almost went over the fiscal cliff. all crises of their own making. ezra klein is also an msnbc political analyst and "washington post" columnist. robert costa is the washington editor at national review and a cnbc contributor. gentlemen, the 112th congress was not only unproductive, it was hugely unpopular. for comparison's sake, the irs, nixon during watergate and bp during the oil spill all had higher...
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and the debt ceiling. today that deep dive into the battle between these two political heavy weights. the seeds of conflict, if you will, were planted early. president obama has been targeting lobbying groups like the chamber since the day he announced his white house run. >> they write the checks, you get stuck with the bill. they get the access while you get to write a letter. they think they own this government, but we're here today to take it back. the time for that kind of politics is over. it is through. >> despite that, the relationship actually started off on a somewhat positive note. the chamber broke with republicans early on in obama's presidency and backed the $787 billion stimulus package. but things went down hill quickly as the two sides clashed over the president's health care and economic agendas. the chamber's number two man, bruce joss ten, blamed the white house for targeting the group unfairly. >> in fact, they have come out of the white house, trying to neuter the u.s. chamber of comm
and the debt ceiling. today that deep dive into the battle between these two political heavy weights. the seeds of conflict, if you will, were planted early. president obama has been targeting lobbying groups like the chamber since the day he announced his white house run. >> they write the checks, you get stuck with the bill. they get the access while you get to write a letter. they think they own this government, but we're here today to take it back. the time for that kind of politics...
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he can't give in on things like the debt ceiling. he's got to put immigration out there. he's got to put gun control out there. but what's going to happen is that a lot of this could conceivably get blocked in the house. and i say to abby, they might have to go through two or three more cycles before they come to their senses. >> i don't disagree with that, unfore chew gnatly. >> abby huntsman and bob schrum, thank you both. >> thank you both. >> coming up, can joe biden take down the nra? big news today on how the american people feel about the nra. it's starting to feel different this time. and paul ryan gets back to that budget on the hill. by signing onto a radical antiabortion person hood bill. he's right back to the extreme. the reporter who broke the story joins us. and the birther king is back in the news. but this time, role is reversed. why is he releasing his birth certificate. you're watching po ining "polit nation" only on the place for politics, msnbc. blaeng blank. >>> have you joined the "politics nation" confers on facebook yet? we hope you will. today, o
he can't give in on things like the debt ceiling. he's got to put immigration out there. he's got to put gun control out there. but what's going to happen is that a lot of this could conceivably get blocked in the house. and i say to abby, they might have to go through two or three more cycles before they come to their senses. >> i don't disagree with that, unfore chew gnatly. >> abby huntsman and bob schrum, thank you both. >> thank you both. >> coming up, can joe biden...
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the american public isn't as tuned in maybe to, like, the debt ceiling debate or at least not the -- they did not used to be, whereas the minting of $1 trillion coin is out of duck tales. >> if you were going to do this, i don't think you would, for instance, like make a big deal of who is on the face. i don't think you would have a design competition for it. i don't think you would go parading around holding the trillion dollar coin. >> what if you lost it? >> yes, exactly. or my heist film that i'm writing about this. what you would do is come before the microphone and say in order to insure that the government meet its constitutional obligations to pay its debt, i have directed the treasury of the secretary to legal the necessary steps to make sure we can pay our debts. that's it. then all the coin stuff happens in the background, right? you don't want to turn it into this cartoonish -- >> nobody will notice. don't even talk about it. >> people will -- might go crazy about it, but i would also note this. monetary innovation is a tremendously important free line in american history
the american public isn't as tuned in maybe to, like, the debt ceiling debate or at least not the -- they did not used to be, whereas the minting of $1 trillion coin is out of duck tales. >> if you were going to do this, i don't think you would, for instance, like make a big deal of who is on the face. i don't think you would have a design competition for it. i don't think you would go parading around holding the trillion dollar coin. >> what if you lost it? >> yes, exactly....
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the debt ceiling debate is set to be the next big showdown in washington. both republicans and democrats have vowed to hold firm in their position. >>> and speaking of government spending, a report published monday says the obama administration spent $18 billion on immigration enforcement last year, more than on all the other federal law enforcement agencies combined and 15 times greater than immigration spending in 1986. the nonpartisan research group the migration policy institute says immigration has become the government's highest law enforcement priority. among those likely to be unhappy with that report, critics who say the administration has been soft on immigration violators. >>> after weeks of recovery from a concussion that led to a blood clot in her head, secretary of state hillary clinton was back in action monday as clinton presided over a state department meeting, her staff welcomed her back with a gag gift, a football helmet with the state department seal on it. she also got a football jersey with the number 112, the record setting number of
the debt ceiling debate is set to be the next big showdown in washington. both republicans and democrats have vowed to hold firm in their position. >>> and speaking of government spending, a report published monday says the obama administration spent $18 billion on immigration enforcement last year, more than on all the other federal law enforcement agencies combined and 15 times greater than immigration spending in 1986. the nonpartisan research group the migration policy institute...
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ceiling did that did not talk about the debt ceiling. what did we do? >> well, congresswoman, the reason i laughed and had to stop in the middle of the mcconnell quote is that the idea that the debt or the so-called spiraling debt is the fundamental pre-eminent issue facing us, and if that is the sort of the line in the sand for the 113th, it sounds like you are going to have a hard time getting these o other things addressed if in fact, the narrative is always going to be about debt and spending in some way. >> well, what we have seen is that most americans do see that debt is a concern, and they may not understand all of the details, but they know in their own lives that when they have debt, they are in trouble, and we have to acknowledge it honestly and that there is a problem and acknowledge that the way to solve it is not just to raise taxes or cut spending. sometimes the republicans will say no new taxes and democrats say no cut in spending. so we have to find a middle ground and do it. what we didn't see from the deal that came ou
ceiling did that did not talk about the debt ceiling. what did we do? >> well, congresswoman, the reason i laughed and had to stop in the middle of the mcconnell quote is that the idea that the debt or the so-called spiraling debt is the fundamental pre-eminent issue facing us, and if that is the sort of the line in the sand for the 113th, it sounds like you are going to have a hard time getting these o other things addressed if in fact, the narrative is always going to be about debt and...
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you look at how they have treated the debt ceiling. they tried to claim that as a legitimate bargaining tool. you look what the senate republicans have down with the filibuster, taking extremes we have not seen before. if they do that to cabinet nominations, that could have troubling ramifications for the future. john tower, 1989. that's the last time we had a cabinet nomination not confirmed. >> he wasn't filibustered. he was voted down. >> and before that 1959. it can happen under serious conditions it can happen. occasionally there be a john ash crochet, 58-42, some opposition, not enough to kill the nomination. generally, cabinet votes, the advice and consent, it's 93-3 vote in the end. if republicans now make these routine party line votes where the opposition party, it's the job of the opposition party to unite against just about anybody and 45 votes is sort of the new norm that republicans establish here for these, that won't stop any of obama's nominees. but think ahead to the next time a president is in power and does not have
you look at how they have treated the debt ceiling. they tried to claim that as a legitimate bargaining tool. you look what the senate republicans have down with the filibuster, taking extremes we have not seen before. if they do that to cabinet nominations, that could have troubling ramifications for the future. john tower, 1989. that's the last time we had a cabinet nomination not confirmed. >> he wasn't filibustered. he was voted down. >> and before that 1959. it can happen under...
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of course, they're going to have to deal with the debt ceiling, the fiscal cliff and the all in the comes months. >> kristen, we look at the optics of this, the inner circle being all white men. what is the tone in washington especially since was the obama coalition that got obama in for a second term? >> well, look, the white house is kernel getting criticism over this issue, especially from women's advocacy groups who are saying there aren't enough women in the top positions at the white house. the white house playing defense on this issue. jed jay carney asked about this saying that diversity is an important issue for the president but he's also choosing especially in these top spots, the people he believes he will work best with, best for the job. there are also reports 0 out that 43% of the appointees here at the white house are in fact women. that's actually an increase if you look at the bush administration. although not as high as the clinton administration. but they are certainly coming under some criticism. for the way in which this cabinet is shaping up. >> nbc's kristen welker
of course, they're going to have to deal with the debt ceiling, the fiscal cliff and the all in the comes months. >> kristen, we look at the optics of this, the inner circle being all white men. what is the tone in washington especially since was the obama coalition that got obama in for a second term? >> well, look, the white house is kernel getting criticism over this issue, especially from women's advocacy groups who are saying there aren't enough women in the top positions at...
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a new reaction today to the debt ceiling debate. on "meet the press," senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said they will not raise tax revenue again. he says instead the president should start working with congress to cut down on the deficit. >> the question now is will the president lead? why should we have to bring him to the table? why isn't he leading us in the direction of beginning to solve our long-term debt and deficit problem? it's perplexing to me that the president of the united states elected to lead the country is so reluctant to engage on the most important issue confronting our future. >> democratic congressman chris van holen, ranking member on the budget committee, was quick to respond. >> if senator mcconnell is going to draw the line in the sand, it's going to result in gridlock. we have to take a long-term approach to deficit reduction, meaning additional cuts. you remember during the campaign, you saw the republican candidate and paul ryan talking about all those tax breaks and loopholes in the tax code that
a new reaction today to the debt ceiling debate. on "meet the press," senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said they will not raise tax revenue again. he says instead the president should start working with congress to cut down on the deficit. >> the question now is will the president lead? why should we have to bring him to the table? why isn't he leading us in the direction of beginning to solve our long-term debt and deficit problem? it's perplexing to me that the president...
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we talk about fights over the debt ceiling. but let's be frank. this is going to take some courage from him, isn't it? >> it really is. this is about a mortality clip. not a clip you slip into your gun, but the kind of pace at which we proceed in this nation believing that we are somehow immortal or we are beyond the call of our own common humanity to the cries of children muffled with gunfire that is so rapid and automatic that it leaves in its trail an enormous and hey nous carnage. the president has to say enough is enough. he must be our voice piece. the voice of the people speaks through his own voicebox right now. and he must articulate our outrage, our desire to see something done. and to exercise the leverage he has as president whether as julian said an executive order or ginning up the kind of protest against the outrageousness of the nra or galvanizing the sentiments of this nation to finally say look we have paid the ultimate price. we are talking about abortion, of mortgaging the future. what about the explicit denienl of life to mill
we talk about fights over the debt ceiling. but let's be frank. this is going to take some courage from him, isn't it? >> it really is. this is about a mortality clip. not a clip you slip into your gun, but the kind of pace at which we proceed in this nation believing that we are somehow immortal or we are beyond the call of our own common humanity to the cries of children muffled with gunfire that is so rapid and automatic that it leaves in its trail an enormous and hey nous carnage. the...
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we had to keep, just like the debt ceiling, we have to keep the full faith and credit of the u.s. government and we have to make sure we pay our bills and people bought flood insurance policies and paid their premiums, we need to pay those off. >> diane, i want to talk about flood insurance in a second so hold what thought. >> we'll go back to what happened with speaker boehner. i think what we saw on display that day was the worst kind of politics and the kind of thing that really turns people off to government in general and particularly to the congress right now. john boehner was not so much concerned about the vote on the sandy relief package but he was concerned about the vote on his leadership and he was more interested in being leader than they was in leading on an issue affecting thousands of people that i represent and congressman jeffries does and fran. in this whole discussion it's not whether the bill has pork and what pork actually means, one man's pork is another man's necessity. what was really distressing is there seems to be this narrative now that says -- in orde
we had to keep, just like the debt ceiling, we have to keep the full faith and credit of the u.s. government and we have to make sure we pay our bills and people bought flood insurance policies and paid their premiums, we need to pay those off. >> diane, i want to talk about flood insurance in a second so hold what thought. >> we'll go back to what happened with speaker boehner. i think what we saw on display that day was the worst kind of politics and the kind of thing that really...
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ceiling, refuse to budge and do anything on comprehensive immigration, stand in the way of gun control, i think those things could add up to democrats taking control of the house and then the president would be able to get all of these objectives accomplished. >> well, we'll see. >>> okay. straight ahead, aside from being a friday, it's an important day in the fight to protect our kids. our resident mom in chief krystal explains next. [ lisa ] my name's lisa, and chantix helped me quit. i honestly loved smoking, and i honestly didn't think i would ever quit. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. it put me at ease that you could smoke on the first week. [ male announcer ] some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these stop taking chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of depression or other mental health problems, which could get w
ceiling, refuse to budge and do anything on comprehensive immigration, stand in the way of gun control, i think those things could add up to democrats taking control of the house and then the president would be able to get all of these objectives accomplished. >> well, we'll see. >>> okay. straight ahead, aside from being a friday, it's an important day in the fight to protect our kids. our resident mom in chief krystal explains next. [ lisa ] my name's lisa, and chantix helped...
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87 dead americans every day and the fiscal cliff or debt ceiling is more important than 87 families burying their children and family members every day? that is immoral. and the nra is immoral. and let's face it. the gun industry controls congress and until the people take back their congress, it's going to be more massacres, more gun sales, more money back to the nra supporters in congress. >> let's get in you on this, michael. there are conservative groups backing this gun appreciation day. >> yeah. >> but for those who think it's just republicans or conservatives who are so-called gun rights advocates that's not the case. i want to play freshman senator highcamp. she was on abc's "this week," their sunday morning program. >> i think you need to put everything on the table but what i hear from "the washington post" and white house, that's way in extreme of what i think is necessary or even should be talked about. and it's not going to pass. >> certain things are not going to pass and the things she was referring to listed as possible proposals from the president, assault weapons, magazine
87 dead americans every day and the fiscal cliff or debt ceiling is more important than 87 families burying their children and family members every day? that is immoral. and the nra is immoral. and let's face it. the gun industry controls congress and until the people take back their congress, it's going to be more massacres, more gun sales, more money back to the nra supporters in congress. >> let's get in you on this, michael. there are conservative groups backing this gun appreciation...
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ceiling battles. who is it that's behind this though, ken? >> well, in this particular case, the hagel nomination, as well as to an extent the susan rice nomination, which didn't even get off the ground, there are a group of these neoconservative organizations that are all affiliated to some extent with bill kristol, the weekly standard editor, that have spent a fair amount of money but more to the point have really leveraged the media and their own media platforms to make these into real controversies and to make them into real fights. a lot of people are saying, well, the fact that president obama did, in fact, nominate chuck hagel as opposed to susan rice who never got nominated, shows that these neocons are behind it. i don't think that's right. i think the neoconservatives are fighting a turf war within the republican party to make sure that the dominant foreign policy within the republican party remains a very hawkish one, and i do think we'll see some sort of squabbles on the floor of the senat
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he slammed the door on debt ceiling negotiations demanding congress raise it without drama and says he's ready to be tough on gun control but remember the president doesn't have to worry about re-election ever again. so expect his second term agenda to look a lot like this. full of overtures to the base which criticized him over the last four years for caving to republicans. to help decipher what to expect in the next four years, we start with nbc's peter alexander outside of the white house and "the washington post" david nakamura. peter, look, you could describe the first term and the first few months since being re-elected as a confident obama. making bold cabinet picks. laying out a very ambitious agenda, adding gun legislation to the docket or you could describe it as almost confident. you know, he backed away from the susan rice pick. he gave in on taxing the top income earners at the rate he wanted. and so far he's really just tiptoed kind of cautiously around gun control. so this a confident obama based on the agenda you're seeing or a caution one? >> reporter: focusing on foreig
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ceiling fight and the potential move by the president that is ruffling republican feathers. i have low testosterone. there, i said it. how did i know? well, i didn't really. see, i figured low testosterone would decrease my sex drive... but when i started losing energy and became moody... that's when i had an honest conversation with my doctor. we discussed all the symptoms... then he gave me some blood tests. showed it was low t. that's it. it was a number -- not just me. [ male announcer ]...
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. >> this should be going on, a number of issues going on, gun control, the debt ceiling debate, immigration reform, another issue. you've been very outspoken on it. it will come up in the next few months hopefully. the way you talk about immigration, mr. mayor, the whole debate about immigration reform is on the scales of what kind of burden does immigration pose to the country, how do we manage the burden. you said, it's not a burden. a jolt to our economy. >> most knowledgeable people would agree immigrants create jobs here. immigrants are a thousand times more likely to have a business, don't take away jobs, create jobs. seasonal workers take jobs from nobody and do things americans won't do and create jobs down the road. the economic benefits of having immigrants around the world, the countries starting to eat our lunch doing it because they want immigrants and we are trying to keep them out. the issue where it gets controversial, family reunification, you're here an want to bring your family over. the family reunification people are trying to hold the economic immigration changes hosta
. >> this should be going on, a number of issues going on, gun control, the debt ceiling debate, immigration reform, another issue. you've been very outspoken on it. it will come up in the next few months hopefully. the way you talk about immigration, mr. mayor, the whole debate about immigration reform is on the scales of what kind of burden does immigration pose to the country, how do we manage the burden. you said, it's not a burden. a jolt to our economy. >> most knowledgeable...